1 00:00:00,001 --> 00:00:02,000 We start with the hallway. 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Well, we start, presumably we start outside the front door. 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,000 I wouldn't imagine. 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:12,000 What are we doing? 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:16,000 So, welcome into our big tech mansion. 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,000 Let's explore what's in the rooms. 7 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,000 I can't believe we finally found it. 8 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:26,000 It was quite a lot of work to dig the map out 9 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:31,000 and find our way along that long winding road to this place. 10 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,000 It's taken us only, what, 20 years to get here? 11 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,000 Something like that. 12 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:37,000 Something like that. 13 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,000 Incredibly, we're finally here. 14 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,000 So, what are we going to find? 15 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,000 What are we going to find? 16 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,000 Well, hopefully our audience will help us find stuff 17 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,000 because it's up to them to really decide what route we're taking through our mansion. 18 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,000 We'll play you a song. 19 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,000 During that song, you'll have the opportunity to vote online, 20 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:59,000 either via Mastodon or via the chat 21 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:03,000 to let us know whether you want to take the right door or the left door. 22 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:07,000 And we'll walk through the door and we'll let you know what we'll find behind the door. 23 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,000 It's almost a little bit like Alice in Wonderland. 24 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,000 So, we'll drink something and we'll get bigger 25 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,000 and we'll eat something and we'll get smaller or something like that. 26 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,000 Yeah. 27 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,000 We should introduce ourselves, though, as well, shouldn't we? 28 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,000 Oh, come on, it's all in the programme. Do we have to? 29 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,000 We could. We could do. Yeah, fair enough. 30 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,000 Who are you? I've never met you before. 31 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:35,000 Never met me before, but you're going to go down the corridors of a dark house with me 32 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:36,000 and hope for the best. 33 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,000 I'm scared. 34 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,000 So, I am Don Pates. 35 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:47,000 I am a Senior Educational Technologist at City St George's University of London. 36 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:48,000 Who are you? 37 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:53,000 Who am I? I am mostly known as eLearningTechie on Mustardal 38 00:01:53,000 --> 00:02:00,000 and if you want to vote, you must find me on eLearningTechie@must.to. 39 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:05,000 My passport says Janina, which is a name I really hate, 40 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,000 so let's stick with eLearningTechie. 41 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,000 So you don't use it? 42 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,000 No, I just try to avoid it as much as I can. 43 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,000 I honestly don't know what possessed my parents. 44 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:20,000 And I'm an Innovations Officer in Digital Education at UCL in London. 45 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:27,000 So, two London learning techs wandering through the... 46 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,000 The abyss of our last 20 years. 47 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:38,000 The abyss of our last 20 years of life in higher education and learning technology. 48 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:44,000 And whatever dusty doors this mansion will open for us. 49 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:51,000 So, shall we play a song and let our audience vote for the next two-ish minutes 50 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,000 on whether they want to take the left door or the right door? 51 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:59,000 Well, while we're standing here in the hallway, I think that's a very good move. 52 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,000 Let's do it. 53 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:19,000 Standing in the hallway, trouble coming my way 54 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:27,000 He called me on the telephone, guess I'm gonna be alone 55 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,000 Ooh, ooh 56 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,000 Where did our love go? Where did it go? 57 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:38,000 Love is such a puzzle in this great big world 58 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:42,000 I'm good to you, but you're bad to me 59 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:48,000 Gotta try to lose, gotta try, gotta lose this misery 60 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:59,000 Tried to do it your way, you wouldn't leave me halfway there 61 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,000 Ooh, ooh 62 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:07,000 You used to say you loved me, now you just sit and stare 63 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,000 Ooh, ooh 64 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,000 Where did our love go? Where did it go? 65 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,000 Love is such a thing in this great big world 66 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:22,000 I'm good to you, but you're bad to me 67 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:28,000 Gotta try to lose, gotta try, gotta lose this misery 68 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:46,000 Ooh, look at that. They chose the dining room. 69 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,000 It's a very good start. 70 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:52,000 Yeah, it's a very good start. And look, somebody's laid out the table. Fancy. 71 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,000 It looks like they're expecting a party here. 72 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,000 Who knew that the old mansion still threw parties? 73 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:04,000 I talked about Alice in Wonderland earlier. I mean, I hope it's not a door mouse in the teapot. 74 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,000 Or worse. 75 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:12,000 But I mean, it's fantastic really to start in the dining room because summer camp, right? 76 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:17,000 Hang out with all your friends. And I'm really sort of excited that we're part of this, to be honest, 77 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:22,000 because I love our edtech communities and, you know, from all over the global, 78 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,000 these cool people talking about interesting stuff. 79 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:30,000 It's mind-blowing, basically, because I really, really thrive on that stuff. 80 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:35,000 I used to spend, for example, I used to spend like a large chunk of my annual holiday budget 81 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:41,000 just traveling to Austin for South by Southwest Interactive, and that was still cool. 82 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:45,000 Nice. Something I've never managed to make it to. 83 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,000 Sounds like it's too late to me. 84 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:54,000 Well, let's just put it that way. The last time I went, which was 2015, I think, 85 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:59,000 it became a meme of don't pitch at me because it was overrun with startups 86 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:04,000 and everybody was just pitching at each other rather than having fun conversations, 87 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:08,000 which is not how it started. So I haven't really been since. 88 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,000 It's just not worth the cost anymore. 89 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:16,000 Wasn't that where Twitter kind of first started gaining currency? 90 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:22,000 A lot of things started there and really broke through. 91 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,000 Lots of little products, Foursquare, for instance, like the first year I went, 92 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:31,000 Foursquare was a big thing and there were lots of scavenger hunts everywhere across town. 93 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,000 So for those who don't know what South by Southwest is, it's basically a massive festival 94 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:42,000 that comprises interactive gaming, music, there's a film festival. 95 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:47,000 There are so many parts to it and it just takes over the entire town of Austin, Texas 96 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,000 for the better part of March, usually. 97 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,000 Nice. 98 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,000 And it's just completely mayhem. But it used to be so great because there were 99 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,000 like thousands and thousands of like-minded people and you could talk to anybody 100 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:02,000 and have the most fascinating and interesting conversations. 101 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:06,000 And of course, really cutting-edge stuff as well. So if you're a technologist, 102 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:13,000 it was a really inspiring and wonderful place to be and the parties were fantastic too. 103 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:19,000 The other thing that I really enjoy and where this whole community theme really fits in 104 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:24,000 are the hackathons and game jams and all those kind of things. 105 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:28,000 Because I used to love participating, I still love participating in those 106 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:33,000 because I've never won anything, but I've always met so many cool people 107 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,000 and learned so much in the space of a weekend. 108 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:41,000 You find interesting ideas and that sort of stuff, doesn't it? 109 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:47,000 And you just learn so much as well in the process because you're so focused on 110 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:55,000 achieving some kind of prototype by the end of the event that, yeah, time just flies past. 111 00:07:55,000 --> 00:08:00,000 Really exhausting events, but well worth the time, I would say. 112 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:07,000 And that inspired me so much that for the last 10 years, I've been running an annual hackathon at UCL. 113 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:13,000 And it's open to anybody. It's open to students, staff, alumni, anyone who wants to come along, 114 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:20,000 collaborate on a project for a weekend. We usually set some loose themes and have lots of side things going on, 115 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:25,000 games and sessions, like workshops and bits and pieces. 116 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:31,000 And it's always really good fun. And next year is our 10-year anniversary, so there'll be cake. 117 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:38,000 That's incredible. That kind of reminds me about a conversation that we spent some time at 118 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,000 at MozFest several years ago, didn't we? 119 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:46,000 We did. And how long was that ago? Five years? Six years? 120 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,000 Was it 2018 or '19? 121 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:56,000 I can't remember. I just remember sitting on the couch at the end of MozFest, knackered. 122 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:00,000 I'm still talking, I'm just watching everybody else enjoying themselves. 123 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:05,000 And we decided that evening we were going to do something to collaborate. 124 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:10,000 And it's only taken us all this time to finally do it. 125 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:14,000 Several years later and sort of global crises and all that kind of stuff. 126 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:20,000 But we got something together in the end. It wasn't a sort of MozFest for higher education, 127 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,000 but it's a radio show, why not? 128 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:29,000 Absolutely. You know, small starts. We've got to start somewhere. 129 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:36,000 The somewhere that I started in this sort of slightly similar space, 130 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:40,000 I never got anywhere near as glamorous as Austin, Texas. 131 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:47,000 But I remember going to a bar camp event that was running in Brighton. 132 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:55,000 I live in Brighton. And these bar camps were my first... 133 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:59,000 I think they must have come out of Silicon Valley in the first place as well. 134 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:06,000 And they were my first introduction to the idea of an unconference, 135 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:11,000 which for anybody that's not attended an unconference is generally a gathering 136 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:16,000 where you don't really have an agenda other than what people choose to bring to it. 137 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,000 You kind of make the agenda up on the spot. 138 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:23,000 People share ideas and skills and that sort of stuff. 139 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:28,000 And we had one that was in the fourth one in Brighton, 140 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:33,000 which was what I was still teaching at the time. 141 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:39,000 And it was run in the old library, which had been taken over with people 142 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:44,000 making dinosaurs out of junk that sort of looked through the window 143 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,000 and there were big holes in the floor. 144 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:50,000 And it was probably a health and safety absolute nightmare. 145 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:56,000 I decided that I had to give something because I was sitting around 146 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:00,000 listening to all these things that I'd never even thought about before. 147 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:04,000 And in doing so, in turning up there, I had to contribute something. 148 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,000 So I opened up a conversation. 149 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:12,000 I'd been toying with... this was 2010, I think. 150 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:20,000 I'd been toying with whether to release my photos that I had on Flickr 151 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:27,000 under a Creative Commons license and basically give my intellectual property away. 152 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:32,000 And at the time, it felt like such a decision to make. 153 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:38,000 So I just opened a conversation about should I give my photos away for free? 154 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:44,000 And I came out of it going, yes, I will. 155 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:48,000 And it was the beginning of a journey into, I suppose, 156 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:53,000 open practice on the web that just taught me so much. 157 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,000 It was, yeah, fascinating. 158 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,000 I love those kind of events. 159 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:03,000 Shall we have a look what our audience want to explore next, maybe? 160 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,000 That sounds like a good idea. I think it's probably time for a song then. 161 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,000 I think it's time for a song. 162 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:13,000 Okay, folks, left door or right door? 163 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:14,000 You choose. 164 00:13:32,900 --> 00:13:57,860 - Well, thank you listeners. 165 00:13:57,860 --> 00:14:00,020 You have sent us into the library. 166 00:14:00,020 --> 00:14:03,060 It's quite dusty in here. 167 00:14:03,060 --> 00:14:05,020 Has anybody actually moved any of these books 168 00:14:05,020 --> 00:14:06,820 at all for ages? 169 00:14:06,820 --> 00:14:09,860 - I bet there are some really good ones on the shelf. 170 00:14:09,860 --> 00:14:14,500 - So let's pull this one off, the shelf. 171 00:14:14,500 --> 00:14:19,380 So this is a book called "The Manifesto for Teaching Online". 172 00:14:19,380 --> 00:14:20,980 Looks quite an interesting one. 173 00:14:24,180 --> 00:14:29,180 This is a book that was written by people 174 00:14:29,180 --> 00:14:32,840 from the Centre for Research and Digital Education 175 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:34,900 at the University of Edinburgh. 176 00:14:34,900 --> 00:14:41,800 And without even diving into the book itself, 177 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,600 the manifesto is printed on the cover. 178 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:50,600 So each provocation is listed. 179 00:14:51,860 --> 00:14:54,180 And then I think they must go into great detail 180 00:14:54,180 --> 00:14:57,780 in the intervening pages. 181 00:14:57,780 --> 00:15:00,140 So let me pull a couple of these out, 182 00:15:00,140 --> 00:15:04,580 these provocations and... 183 00:15:04,580 --> 00:15:05,980 - Yeah, share, share. 184 00:15:05,980 --> 00:15:06,820 What does it say? 185 00:15:06,820 --> 00:15:07,640 - Let's see what you've got to say. 186 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:09,540 Okay, so I'm gonna go to the bottom. 187 00:15:09,540 --> 00:15:10,380 - My dear. 188 00:15:10,380 --> 00:15:11,340 - Bottom of the page here. 189 00:15:11,340 --> 00:15:12,700 - You're asking for trouble. 190 00:15:12,700 --> 00:15:13,540 - Yeah, yeah. 191 00:15:13,540 --> 00:15:15,880 And let's see where it leads you. 192 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:20,100 Don't succumb to campus envy. 193 00:15:20,100 --> 00:15:21,900 We are the campus. 194 00:15:21,900 --> 00:15:24,660 - Well, we are the campus. 195 00:15:24,660 --> 00:15:27,460 You know, our campus can be anywhere. 196 00:15:27,460 --> 00:15:29,620 I totally agree with that. 197 00:15:29,620 --> 00:15:32,380 I don't think we need all these fancy campuses. 198 00:15:32,380 --> 00:15:34,820 - No, no, it's a people thing, right? 199 00:15:34,820 --> 00:15:35,660 The people make it. 200 00:15:35,660 --> 00:15:37,300 - Absolutely, I think so too. 201 00:15:37,300 --> 00:15:39,860 I think it's the people, yeah. 202 00:15:39,860 --> 00:15:41,020 - Oh, that was nice and easy. 203 00:15:41,020 --> 00:15:43,460 All right, so here's another one 204 00:15:43,460 --> 00:15:45,180 that should be fairly easy to respond to. 205 00:15:45,180 --> 00:15:48,660 Can we stop talking about digital natives? 206 00:15:48,660 --> 00:15:50,380 - Oh God, please, no. 207 00:15:50,380 --> 00:15:51,380 (both laughing) 208 00:15:51,380 --> 00:15:53,260 The shudder, the shudder. 209 00:15:53,260 --> 00:15:54,100 Oh. 210 00:15:54,100 --> 00:15:57,660 - That one reminds me a little bit. 211 00:15:57,660 --> 00:15:59,300 - I'm not even gonna say anything about that. 212 00:15:59,300 --> 00:16:01,760 I'm just glimmering green in the face there. 213 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:07,340 - It reminds me a little bit of when I was teaching GCSE IT 214 00:16:07,340 --> 00:16:11,540 and finding that my students who were, you know, 215 00:16:11,540 --> 00:16:14,780 teenagers 15 years ago, 216 00:16:14,780 --> 00:16:15,940 and who would have fitted very much 217 00:16:15,940 --> 00:16:18,220 into that digital natives demography, 218 00:16:18,220 --> 00:16:20,060 they very much needed teaching. 219 00:16:20,060 --> 00:16:26,180 - Yeah, I don't think that's so uncommon. 220 00:16:26,180 --> 00:16:27,020 - Okay. - What's next? 221 00:16:27,020 --> 00:16:27,840 What's next? 222 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:28,680 What have you got? - What's next? 223 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,340 Shall we go, okay. 224 00:16:30,340 --> 00:16:37,220 Online courses are prone to cultures of surveillance. 225 00:16:37,220 --> 00:16:41,220 Visibility is a pedagogical and ethical issue. 226 00:16:41,220 --> 00:16:46,620 - Do you know, I think the same works physically. 227 00:16:46,620 --> 00:16:48,940 There was just this article just last week 228 00:16:48,940 --> 00:16:52,420 about presenteism and the consequences of that 229 00:16:52,420 --> 00:16:55,140 in the workplace and the stress that that's causing. 230 00:16:55,140 --> 00:16:58,540 I don't think that's necessarily an online issue. 231 00:16:58,540 --> 00:16:59,980 And we can make it an online issue, 232 00:16:59,980 --> 00:17:02,780 but, you know, I think it plays in both directions. 233 00:17:02,780 --> 00:17:04,740 - That's a very good point. 234 00:17:04,740 --> 00:17:07,580 So I'm thinking about this, 235 00:17:07,580 --> 00:17:09,660 just the swipe card that I put in my pocket 236 00:17:09,660 --> 00:17:11,140 when I go into work, 237 00:17:11,140 --> 00:17:14,980 and how many traces of myself I leave 238 00:17:14,980 --> 00:17:16,580 whenever I go into a building. 239 00:17:16,580 --> 00:17:17,780 (laughs) 240 00:17:17,780 --> 00:17:18,620 - Yeah. 241 00:17:18,620 --> 00:17:20,300 Oh, and it's surveillance everywhere. 242 00:17:20,300 --> 00:17:22,180 The WiFi you log onto, you know, 243 00:17:22,180 --> 00:17:24,180 where does that data go, that traffic? 244 00:17:24,180 --> 00:17:31,820 - Okay, so let me throw one or two more in. 245 00:17:31,820 --> 00:17:37,660 A digital assignment can live on. 246 00:17:37,660 --> 00:17:42,660 It can be iterative, public, risky, and multi-voiced. 247 00:17:42,660 --> 00:17:44,500 - Risky, eh? 248 00:17:44,500 --> 00:17:45,820 - Risky, risky. 249 00:17:45,820 --> 00:17:47,860 And then there's CrowdStrike. 250 00:17:47,860 --> 00:17:48,700 Mm. 251 00:17:48,700 --> 00:17:49,980 (laughs) 252 00:17:49,980 --> 00:17:53,980 That's all I'm gonna say about online being persistent. 253 00:17:53,980 --> 00:17:55,940 - That's true. 254 00:17:55,940 --> 00:17:57,860 So I think very risky there. 255 00:17:57,860 --> 00:17:59,700 - No, but I mean, seriously, 256 00:17:59,700 --> 00:18:01,980 online doesn't necessarily live on either. 257 00:18:01,980 --> 00:18:04,020 The amount of file formats that die 258 00:18:04,020 --> 00:18:07,100 and stuff that doesn't work, you know. 259 00:18:07,100 --> 00:18:08,740 - Link rot. 260 00:18:08,740 --> 00:18:10,420 - Link rot and all those things. 261 00:18:10,460 --> 00:18:14,740 So it sounds nice that digital lives longer, 262 00:18:14,740 --> 00:18:16,580 but actually look at all these old books 263 00:18:16,580 --> 00:18:17,780 we're finding in this library 264 00:18:17,780 --> 00:18:20,100 and they've been here for a long time. 265 00:18:20,100 --> 00:18:22,780 - Yeah, it's been here an awfully long time. 266 00:18:22,780 --> 00:18:24,980 It's gathering dust. 267 00:18:24,980 --> 00:18:27,260 And do you want one last one? 268 00:18:27,260 --> 00:18:28,540 One last page. 269 00:18:28,540 --> 00:18:29,420 - Yeah, go on. 270 00:18:29,420 --> 00:18:35,860 - Okay, so openness is neither neutral nor natural. 271 00:18:37,540 --> 00:18:40,740 It creates and depends on closures. 272 00:18:40,740 --> 00:18:45,020 - That reminds me, 273 00:18:45,020 --> 00:18:47,140 and I can never get the quote right completely, 274 00:18:47,140 --> 00:18:51,900 but it reminds me of the Tom Stoppard quote 275 00:18:51,900 --> 00:18:54,540 from one of his plays about an exit 276 00:18:54,540 --> 00:18:57,300 being simultaneously an entrance to something else. 277 00:18:57,300 --> 00:19:02,220 And that's always stuck with me 278 00:19:02,220 --> 00:19:05,460 because I think it's so clever and it's so true 279 00:19:05,460 --> 00:19:07,180 that every exit is an entrance 280 00:19:07,180 --> 00:19:09,580 and an entrance is simultaneously an exit. 281 00:19:09,580 --> 00:19:14,660 - It's something that's so simple in a way, 282 00:19:14,660 --> 00:19:18,980 but also quite profound as well. 283 00:19:18,980 --> 00:19:21,300 For something to be open, 284 00:19:21,300 --> 00:19:23,900 something else has to be closed. 285 00:19:23,900 --> 00:19:26,860 - But I mean, it's doors, right? 286 00:19:26,860 --> 00:19:29,700 So shall we find another door? 287 00:19:29,700 --> 00:19:31,620 - That sounds like a good idea. 288 00:19:31,620 --> 00:19:35,060 All right, that means we're calling on all these systems. 289 00:19:35,060 --> 00:19:37,260 - Take us in a different direction, don't we? 290 00:19:37,260 --> 00:19:41,140 - So audience, left or right? 291 00:19:45,740 --> 00:20:04,380 ♪ Don't tell me you don't know what love is ♪ 292 00:20:04,460 --> 00:20:09,220 ♪ When you're old enough to know that time ♪ 293 00:20:09,220 --> 00:20:12,900 ♪ When you find strange hands and feel sweat ♪ 294 00:20:12,900 --> 00:20:16,220 ♪ And talk like a dreamboat ♪ 295 00:20:16,220 --> 00:20:18,700 ♪ Turns out to be a footnote ♪ 296 00:20:18,700 --> 00:20:21,500 ♪ I'm a man with a mission ♪ 297 00:20:21,500 --> 00:20:23,380 ♪ Two or three additions ♪ 298 00:20:23,380 --> 00:20:28,100 ♪ And I'm giving you a long look ♪ 299 00:20:28,100 --> 00:20:31,860 ♪ Every day, every day, every day ♪ 300 00:20:31,860 --> 00:20:36,860 ♪ Every day I write the book ♪ 301 00:20:36,860 --> 00:20:39,580 ♪ Chapter one ♪ 302 00:20:39,580 --> 00:20:41,820 ♪ You didn't really get along ♪ 303 00:20:41,820 --> 00:20:43,100 ♪ Chapter two ♪ 304 00:20:43,100 --> 00:20:47,300 ♪ I think I fell in love with you ♪ 305 00:20:47,300 --> 00:20:50,340 ♪ You said you'd stand by me in the middle of ♪ 306 00:20:50,340 --> 00:20:51,420 ♪ Chapter three ♪ 307 00:20:51,420 --> 00:20:53,780 ♪ But you went up to your own tricks ♪ 308 00:20:53,780 --> 00:20:56,140 ♪ And kept us far by the sea ♪ 309 00:20:56,140 --> 00:21:01,020 ♪ And I'm giving you a long look ♪ 310 00:21:01,020 --> 00:21:04,740 ♪ Every day, every day, every day ♪ 311 00:21:04,740 --> 00:21:09,740 ♪ Every day I write the book ♪ 312 00:21:09,740 --> 00:21:12,500 ♪ The way you are ♪ 313 00:21:12,500 --> 00:21:14,180 ♪ The way you talk and drive ♪ 314 00:21:14,180 --> 00:21:16,180 ♪ It hits me in the lap ♪ 315 00:21:16,180 --> 00:21:20,620 ♪ You follow my paragraphs ♪ 316 00:21:20,620 --> 00:21:22,980 ♪ All your noncommittals and your ♪ 317 00:21:22,980 --> 00:21:25,220 ♪ God dang remarks are ♪ 318 00:21:25,220 --> 00:21:30,220 ♪ Captioning here in the quotation marks ♪ 319 00:21:30,420 --> 00:21:34,180 ♪ I'm giving you a long look ♪ 320 00:21:34,180 --> 00:21:37,740 ♪ Every day, every day, every day ♪ 321 00:21:37,740 --> 00:21:42,740 ♪ Every day I write the book ♪ 322 00:21:42,740 --> 00:21:47,940 ♪ Every day I write the book ♪ 323 00:21:47,940 --> 00:21:52,940 ♪ Don't tell me you don't know the difference ♪ 324 00:21:52,940 --> 00:21:57,460 ♪ Between a lover and a fighter ♪ 325 00:21:57,460 --> 00:22:02,460 ♪ With my feminine and my electric typewriter ♪ 326 00:22:02,460 --> 00:22:04,780 ♪ Even in a perfect world ♪ 327 00:22:04,780 --> 00:22:08,260 ♪ Where everyone was equal ♪ 328 00:22:08,260 --> 00:22:10,340 (static) 329 00:22:10,340 --> 00:22:14,300 - We're going to the kitchen next. 330 00:22:14,300 --> 00:22:16,540 What's cooking in the kitchen? 331 00:22:16,540 --> 00:22:18,780 Something smells nice, can you smell that? 332 00:22:18,780 --> 00:22:19,620 - No, that's not that. 333 00:22:19,620 --> 00:22:22,380 - Smells like cake, someone's making cake. 334 00:22:22,380 --> 00:22:23,700 - Cake, yum-yum. 335 00:22:27,140 --> 00:22:28,620 - You know, I don't know about you, 336 00:22:28,620 --> 00:22:29,460 I don't know about you, 337 00:22:29,460 --> 00:22:33,340 but I really love experimenting and cooking and baking. 338 00:22:33,340 --> 00:22:35,780 And it's never according to recipes. 339 00:22:35,780 --> 00:22:37,620 It's kind of just a little bit of this 340 00:22:37,620 --> 00:22:38,780 and a little bit of that, 341 00:22:38,780 --> 00:22:40,740 and a little bit of eye measure. 342 00:22:40,740 --> 00:22:44,620 And it usually works out, which is quite miraculous. 343 00:22:44,620 --> 00:22:48,460 I mean, I'm the first one to be surprised half the time 344 00:22:48,460 --> 00:22:49,700 that the stuff is edible. 345 00:22:49,700 --> 00:22:53,060 - So what have you concocted? 346 00:22:53,060 --> 00:22:55,380 - Oh, I concoct things all the time. 347 00:22:55,380 --> 00:22:56,500 I don't give them names. 348 00:22:56,500 --> 00:22:59,100 I mean, it's vaguely based on other things usually, 349 00:22:59,100 --> 00:23:01,500 but I do that in my job too. 350 00:23:01,500 --> 00:23:03,980 You know, I'm a very experimental person 351 00:23:03,980 --> 00:23:07,300 and I usually throw things together 352 00:23:07,300 --> 00:23:09,380 and play with tools and play with formats 353 00:23:09,380 --> 00:23:13,340 and push boundaries as much as they'll let me. 354 00:23:13,340 --> 00:23:18,140 And I'm very fortunate that I have some colleagues 355 00:23:18,140 --> 00:23:20,060 who are equally kind of up for fun 356 00:23:20,060 --> 00:23:21,820 and who've got some really great ideas. 357 00:23:21,820 --> 00:23:24,500 And they know to come to me because I'm the one, 358 00:23:24,500 --> 00:23:26,860 the crazy one who says, "Yeah, let's do that. 359 00:23:26,860 --> 00:23:28,740 Let's try that." 360 00:23:28,740 --> 00:23:29,780 - Let's push that boat out. 361 00:23:29,780 --> 00:23:30,740 Let's try it. 362 00:23:30,740 --> 00:23:32,020 - Let's try that. 363 00:23:32,020 --> 00:23:34,100 And so I kind of live my life 364 00:23:34,100 --> 00:23:37,260 by the sort of Bob Ross approach to life, you know, 365 00:23:37,260 --> 00:23:39,620 be courageous and just have a go at it 366 00:23:39,620 --> 00:23:44,380 and make the most and celebrate those happy accidents. 367 00:23:44,380 --> 00:23:46,780 An example of this is like, 368 00:23:46,780 --> 00:23:49,220 there was this time, 369 00:23:49,220 --> 00:23:51,300 and this links nicely with summer camp actually, 370 00:23:51,300 --> 00:23:52,260 funnily enough. 371 00:23:53,620 --> 00:23:56,580 Yeah, there was this time where a colleague of mine 372 00:23:56,580 --> 00:23:59,500 and me, we tried to persuade our IT department 373 00:23:59,500 --> 00:24:02,140 that, or our institution generally, 374 00:24:02,140 --> 00:24:05,180 that Domain of One's Own would be a really great idea 375 00:24:05,180 --> 00:24:07,940 and a really good place for our students to explore 376 00:24:07,940 --> 00:24:10,060 and gain technical skills. 377 00:24:10,060 --> 00:24:11,660 - That's almost seamless. 378 00:24:11,660 --> 00:24:13,500 It's as if you're on the radio. 379 00:24:13,500 --> 00:24:15,540 That segue. 380 00:24:15,540 --> 00:24:18,380 - See, almost as if I'd planned it. 381 00:24:21,820 --> 00:24:24,900 And so there was an opportunity to present this stuff, 382 00:24:24,900 --> 00:24:30,340 but we only had a set amount of time and small tables. 383 00:24:30,340 --> 00:24:33,420 It was an event of, you know, conference event type thing. 384 00:24:33,420 --> 00:24:37,220 And so it wasn't like a big presentation 385 00:24:37,220 --> 00:24:39,820 to explain the concept of Domain of One's Own 386 00:24:39,820 --> 00:24:42,340 to as many people as possible in one room, 387 00:24:42,340 --> 00:24:45,620 sort of like a World Cafe type thing, setting. 388 00:24:45,620 --> 00:24:47,380 So a PowerPoint presentation 389 00:24:47,380 --> 00:24:51,380 would have been completely impractical. 390 00:24:52,020 --> 00:24:53,940 And also totally not my style. 391 00:24:53,940 --> 00:24:58,460 So I spent a couple of weeks, 392 00:24:58,460 --> 00:24:59,580 or more than a couple of weeks, 393 00:24:59,580 --> 00:25:01,500 learning how to make pop-up books. 394 00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:03,220 You know, the kind of books that you open up 395 00:25:03,220 --> 00:25:05,580 and then things jump out at you and stand up 396 00:25:05,580 --> 00:25:08,220 and you can move things and shift things. 397 00:25:08,220 --> 00:25:12,580 - I got a, there was an Alice in Wonderland pop-up book 398 00:25:12,580 --> 00:25:15,580 found its way into my household as well. 399 00:25:15,580 --> 00:25:17,580 Just to keep on the Alice theme. 400 00:25:17,580 --> 00:25:18,820 I don't have no idea why. 401 00:25:20,940 --> 00:25:22,180 Tell me about the pop-up book. 402 00:25:22,180 --> 00:25:24,020 - No, I mean, there is nothing more to say 403 00:25:24,020 --> 00:25:28,060 other than I felt that that was a really good way 404 00:25:28,060 --> 00:25:29,220 of sitting around the table 405 00:25:29,220 --> 00:25:32,220 and me telling story time about Domain of One's Own 406 00:25:32,220 --> 00:25:34,100 and just going through the various different sort of, 407 00:25:34,100 --> 00:25:35,580 I can't remember, but so many years ago, 408 00:25:35,580 --> 00:25:38,340 I can't remember what exactly was in the pop-up book, 409 00:25:38,340 --> 00:25:41,420 but people really loved it, you know. 410 00:25:41,420 --> 00:25:44,500 But I took that initiative to learn pop-up books 411 00:25:44,500 --> 00:25:45,700 for a presentation. 412 00:25:45,700 --> 00:25:49,980 But I didn't stop there, pop-up books, you know. 413 00:25:49,980 --> 00:25:52,380 And so, so 2016. 414 00:25:52,380 --> 00:25:57,540 A few years later, a colleague who teaches Python 415 00:25:57,540 --> 00:26:00,180 to master students approached me, 416 00:26:00,180 --> 00:26:02,020 and we were having coffee and we were talking, 417 00:26:02,020 --> 00:26:03,500 and he goes, "You know what? 418 00:26:03,500 --> 00:26:07,060 "I'd really like to do an escape room for these students." 419 00:26:07,060 --> 00:26:10,980 And I went, "That sounds like a good idea, let's do it." 420 00:26:10,980 --> 00:26:12,580 And then on second thought, it was like, 421 00:26:12,580 --> 00:26:14,860 well, it's probably not so ethical 422 00:26:14,860 --> 00:26:17,620 and not allowed to lock students in a room. 423 00:26:17,620 --> 00:26:18,900 (laughing) 424 00:26:18,900 --> 00:26:20,140 - It's tempting sometimes. 425 00:26:20,140 --> 00:26:21,580 - Yeah, it is so tempting. 426 00:26:21,580 --> 00:26:24,860 But so what did we do instead? 427 00:26:24,860 --> 00:26:27,980 My colleague sorted out some puzzles 428 00:26:27,980 --> 00:26:29,940 for them to solve in Python, 429 00:26:29,940 --> 00:26:34,060 and I spent about six weeks with cardboard 430 00:26:34,060 --> 00:26:36,460 all over my floor making puzzle boxes 431 00:26:36,460 --> 00:26:38,620 and lock boxes out of cardboard 432 00:26:38,620 --> 00:26:40,660 with sort of lots of different compartments 433 00:26:40,660 --> 00:26:42,940 and as a prototype. 434 00:26:42,940 --> 00:26:45,900 I mean, obviously, this was just the first prototype, 435 00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:48,700 but it just went down like a storm. 436 00:26:48,700 --> 00:26:50,620 It was the first iteration was so hard, 437 00:26:50,620 --> 00:26:52,380 nobody could solve it. 438 00:26:52,380 --> 00:26:54,060 (laughing) 439 00:26:54,060 --> 00:26:56,220 And we iterated on it a few times. 440 00:26:56,220 --> 00:26:58,340 And then unfortunately, the pandemic interrupted us. 441 00:26:58,340 --> 00:27:00,900 So we couldn't, we ran it only once in the end 442 00:27:00,900 --> 00:27:02,860 because, you know, pandemic. 443 00:27:02,860 --> 00:27:04,620 So that was a shame. 444 00:27:04,620 --> 00:27:07,780 We tried to do sort of a version that ran online, 445 00:27:07,780 --> 00:27:11,540 but combining the coding with what we had 446 00:27:11,540 --> 00:27:15,100 in terms of tools for, you know, it was challenging. 447 00:27:15,100 --> 00:27:16,540 We haven't given up completely yet. 448 00:27:16,540 --> 00:27:18,180 We're still kind of thinking it through, 449 00:27:18,180 --> 00:27:20,140 but the setup was quite complicated. 450 00:27:20,140 --> 00:27:23,140 But this is the sort of fun stuff that I experiment with. 451 00:27:23,140 --> 00:27:24,540 You know, I'm really getting grossed 452 00:27:24,540 --> 00:27:28,020 and look at each kind of problem in a, 453 00:27:28,020 --> 00:27:29,380 like, where can I push it? 454 00:27:29,380 --> 00:27:31,260 Where can I do it? 455 00:27:31,260 --> 00:27:33,140 Sometimes also without technology. 456 00:27:33,140 --> 00:27:34,820 Sometimes for me, learning technology 457 00:27:34,820 --> 00:27:36,500 doesn't have to be about digital. 458 00:27:36,500 --> 00:27:40,060 It can be a blend of things or do something. 459 00:27:40,060 --> 00:27:42,780 - Well, I was just thinking as you're saying that, 460 00:27:42,780 --> 00:27:46,700 I mean, that's kind of one of the perhaps unusual things 461 00:27:46,700 --> 00:27:50,420 about this line of work is you do get to do things 462 00:27:50,420 --> 00:27:55,420 that are kind of quite unexpected, quite unusual 463 00:27:55,420 --> 00:27:58,300 and sort of somewhat outside of the, 464 00:27:58,300 --> 00:28:04,380 outside of the sort of standard way of doing things. 465 00:28:04,380 --> 00:28:07,100 - Yeah, definitely. 466 00:28:07,100 --> 00:28:09,940 I think an open mind and creativity helps. 467 00:28:12,540 --> 00:28:14,780 - Should we invite our listeners 468 00:28:14,780 --> 00:28:18,060 to make some creative choices themselves? 469 00:28:18,060 --> 00:28:20,060 - Yeah, let's do that. 470 00:28:20,060 --> 00:28:20,900 Go on. 471 00:28:20,900 --> 00:28:21,860 Well, creative choices, you know, 472 00:28:21,860 --> 00:28:23,340 you've got left and right really. 473 00:28:23,340 --> 00:28:24,180 (laughing) 474 00:28:24,180 --> 00:28:26,100 Get creative with that. 475 00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:27,340 - How creative can you get? 476 00:28:27,340 --> 00:28:28,180 Yeah. 477 00:28:28,180 --> 00:28:30,660 Try and find a different way to vote. 478 00:28:30,660 --> 00:28:31,900 Maybe that's one way. 479 00:28:31,900 --> 00:28:33,940 - Oh, please don't encourage them. 480 00:28:33,940 --> 00:28:35,500 This is difficult enough. 481 00:28:35,500 --> 00:28:38,260 (laughing) 482 00:28:38,260 --> 00:28:40,940 You have about two minutes-ish with the next song. 483 00:28:44,140 --> 00:28:47,540 (upbeat music continues) 484 00:29:25,340 --> 00:29:32,740 (upbeat music continues) 485 00:29:32,740 --> 00:29:38,740 (upbeat music continues) 486 00:29:38,740 --> 00:29:45,740 (upbeat music continues) 487 00:29:48,340 --> 00:29:51,740 (upbeat music continues) 488 00:29:51,740 --> 00:30:05,140 (upbeat music continues) 489 00:30:05,140 --> 00:30:16,940 (upbeat music continues) 490 00:30:17,540 --> 00:30:20,940 (upbeat music continues) 491 00:30:20,940 --> 00:30:33,940 (upbeat music continues) 492 00:30:43,540 --> 00:30:46,940 (upbeat music continues) 493 00:30:46,940 --> 00:31:11,940 (sad trombone) 494 00:31:11,940 --> 00:31:13,740 - Well, it's a bit noisy in here. 495 00:31:13,740 --> 00:31:15,740 We found our way into the garage. 496 00:31:15,740 --> 00:31:18,340 - With some oil and paint and stuff. 497 00:31:18,340 --> 00:31:19,740 - Yeah, exactly. 498 00:31:19,740 --> 00:31:21,340 It's a... 499 00:31:21,340 --> 00:31:22,940 What are they making in here? 500 00:31:22,940 --> 00:31:24,140 Goodness me. 501 00:31:24,140 --> 00:31:26,340 - I don't know, could do with tidying up. 502 00:31:26,340 --> 00:31:28,740 - Yeah, stuff all over the floor. 503 00:31:28,740 --> 00:31:31,340 And it's noisy, a bit stinky, 504 00:31:31,340 --> 00:31:34,540 but I bet they make some interesting stuff in here though. 505 00:31:34,540 --> 00:31:37,340 I bet there's something or other that comes out of here. 506 00:31:37,340 --> 00:31:38,340 - Well, you'd hope so. 507 00:31:38,340 --> 00:31:40,540 I mean, it is a garage after all, you know. 508 00:31:40,540 --> 00:31:43,540 - Huh, sort of reminds me a little. 509 00:31:43,540 --> 00:31:47,740 So my first week at Citi, 510 00:31:47,740 --> 00:31:52,940 I had one of our engineers came up to me 511 00:31:52,940 --> 00:31:57,140 and told me about this lovely new projector 512 00:31:57,140 --> 00:32:01,540 that she'd had installed in one of her engineering labs. 513 00:32:01,540 --> 00:32:05,140 And the fact that there wasn't any computer connected to it. 514 00:32:05,140 --> 00:32:05,940 - Oh no. 515 00:32:05,940 --> 00:32:09,140 - Oh yeah, we've got a really lovely screen, 516 00:32:09,140 --> 00:32:12,540 nice projector, but there's nothing to project on it. 517 00:32:12,540 --> 00:32:14,140 And she said to me, 518 00:32:14,140 --> 00:32:16,540 do you think you could help me find a way 519 00:32:16,540 --> 00:32:19,940 to connect my iPad to it wirelessly? 520 00:32:19,940 --> 00:32:23,140 And it's just about, God, 10 years ago now. 521 00:32:23,140 --> 00:32:26,140 So the things weren't quite as well developed 522 00:32:26,140 --> 00:32:27,140 as they are now. 523 00:32:27,140 --> 00:32:31,940 And this was basically the first challenge 524 00:32:31,940 --> 00:32:34,940 that I was given in this line of work. 525 00:32:34,940 --> 00:32:35,740 - Oh no. 526 00:32:35,740 --> 00:32:38,140 (laughs) 527 00:32:38,140 --> 00:32:40,140 - You know, luckily she was quite understanding 528 00:32:40,140 --> 00:32:42,740 'cause I didn't have anything immediately in place 529 00:32:42,740 --> 00:32:44,140 or in my back pocket that I could say, 530 00:32:44,140 --> 00:32:46,340 yeah, yeah, sure, we'll just put this cable in here 531 00:32:46,340 --> 00:32:47,940 and off you go. 532 00:32:47,940 --> 00:32:52,340 So that kind of set me off on a journey 533 00:32:52,340 --> 00:32:55,540 of trying to find a way to 534 00:32:55,540 --> 00:33:02,540 facilitate sharing mobile devices 535 00:33:02,540 --> 00:33:06,140 to a common screen, wireless screen, 536 00:33:06,140 --> 00:33:08,740 which back when we started looking into this, 537 00:33:08,740 --> 00:33:10,940 was quite difficult to do. 538 00:33:10,940 --> 00:33:15,140 So I ended up getting to know some of our AV technicians, 539 00:33:15,140 --> 00:33:19,340 our network manager, really sort of digging into the weeds 540 00:33:19,340 --> 00:33:20,940 of this kind of stuff. 541 00:33:20,940 --> 00:33:24,540 Speaking to different people in the sector, 542 00:33:24,540 --> 00:33:26,540 making things, trying to get them 543 00:33:26,540 --> 00:33:28,340 to make things differently 544 00:33:28,340 --> 00:33:30,740 so we could just get this done. 545 00:33:30,740 --> 00:33:35,340 We tried out lots of, you know, 546 00:33:35,340 --> 00:33:37,140 I sort of built these coalitions of people 547 00:33:37,140 --> 00:33:39,140 that were interested in wireless screen sharing 548 00:33:39,140 --> 00:33:43,940 and we tried out lots of different tools 549 00:33:43,940 --> 00:33:46,140 that people were sort of, you know, 550 00:33:46,140 --> 00:33:48,740 wanted us to try out for them. 551 00:33:48,740 --> 00:33:52,940 And in the end, I got somewhere with, 552 00:33:52,940 --> 00:33:55,540 it took me about two years to find a, 553 00:33:55,540 --> 00:33:57,140 I didn't know whether it was gonna be software 554 00:33:57,140 --> 00:33:58,140 or whether it was gonna be hardware, 555 00:33:58,140 --> 00:34:00,940 but in the end we found a box 556 00:34:00,940 --> 00:34:07,340 that would do what we were looking for it to do. 557 00:34:07,340 --> 00:34:11,540 And we got it installed. 558 00:34:11,540 --> 00:34:14,340 It was kind of, it was like plugged into the, 559 00:34:14,340 --> 00:34:18,140 it was kind of Velcroed onto the project, 560 00:34:18,140 --> 00:34:19,940 it was in the ceiling, I think. 561 00:34:19,940 --> 00:34:26,340 And they had these iPads in these big metal cabinets 562 00:34:26,340 --> 00:34:30,140 and sort of charging points that were locked down there. 563 00:34:30,940 --> 00:34:33,540 And it was brilliant because, you know, 564 00:34:33,540 --> 00:34:36,340 finally carry the computer around, 565 00:34:36,340 --> 00:34:39,740 you know, the iPad would be anywhere she liked. 566 00:34:39,740 --> 00:34:44,340 And as if by magic, whatever was going on on the screen 567 00:34:44,340 --> 00:34:46,740 was actually there on the projection screen as well. 568 00:34:46,740 --> 00:34:49,340 We ended up using it as a portable camera 569 00:34:49,340 --> 00:34:52,340 and, you know, all these sorts of things. 570 00:34:52,340 --> 00:34:53,940 - Very cool. 571 00:34:53,940 --> 00:34:58,540 - So yeah, that was a lot of tinkering. 572 00:34:58,540 --> 00:35:01,140 Lots of different tools. 573 00:35:01,140 --> 00:35:05,140 Any particular tools you found yourself in tinkering with 574 00:35:05,140 --> 00:35:07,940 that have taken you in some directions? 575 00:35:07,940 --> 00:35:09,340 Aside from cardboard. 576 00:35:09,340 --> 00:35:14,540 - Well, aside from cardboard and books and paper and stuff, 577 00:35:14,540 --> 00:35:18,540 I do occasionally indulge in electronic things as well. 578 00:35:18,540 --> 00:35:20,940 No, honestly, it kind of depends a little bit 579 00:35:20,940 --> 00:35:22,940 on the task at hand. 580 00:35:22,940 --> 00:35:25,740 And I mean, I've got a little bit of a reputation 581 00:35:25,740 --> 00:35:27,940 as the person that people come to 582 00:35:27,940 --> 00:35:29,540 when they need a tool for something 583 00:35:29,540 --> 00:35:32,940 because I've got an incredibly well-organized 584 00:35:32,940 --> 00:35:33,940 list of bookmarks. 585 00:35:33,940 --> 00:35:38,140 No, not just a list, lists of lists, folders and folders. 586 00:35:38,140 --> 00:35:39,540 And it's all neatly organized, you know, 587 00:35:39,540 --> 00:35:41,140 I've got like a tools folder 588 00:35:41,140 --> 00:35:43,940 and then there is underneath that subfolder 589 00:35:43,940 --> 00:35:47,140 for audio tools, video tools, these tools, those tools. 590 00:35:47,140 --> 00:35:49,540 I mean, ask me anything. 591 00:35:49,540 --> 00:35:51,340 - How sterilely sensible. 592 00:35:51,340 --> 00:35:55,140 - Well, you know, but this is why I'm so, 593 00:35:55,140 --> 00:35:57,140 I'm quite quick at finding solutions. 594 00:35:57,140 --> 00:35:58,140 And sometimes, you know, 595 00:35:58,140 --> 00:35:59,940 you think outside the box, really. 596 00:35:59,940 --> 00:36:02,540 I mean, in your case, a projector box. 597 00:36:02,540 --> 00:36:04,340 - Yeah, exactly. 598 00:36:04,340 --> 00:36:05,740 A little bit of Velcro. 599 00:36:05,740 --> 00:36:08,540 - A little bit of Velcro. 600 00:36:08,540 --> 00:36:11,140 - Well, should we use that as a stepping off point 601 00:36:11,140 --> 00:36:15,340 to get our listeners to send us into another room? 602 00:36:15,340 --> 00:36:17,540 - Yeah, and send us your tool suggestions. 603 00:36:17,540 --> 00:36:19,140 You know, what are your favorite tools? 604 00:36:19,140 --> 00:36:20,540 We'd love to learn some more tools. 605 00:36:20,540 --> 00:36:22,540 I mean, I can bookmark some more tools. 606 00:36:22,540 --> 00:36:23,340 - Yeah, yeah. 607 00:36:23,340 --> 00:36:25,140 - If I can get some for you, that would be quite nice. 608 00:36:25,140 --> 00:36:26,940 - Yeah, and I think, you know, after messing around 609 00:36:26,940 --> 00:36:29,140 in this garage, I need to wash my hands anyway. 610 00:36:29,140 --> 00:36:31,740 I think we need to get out of here. 611 00:36:31,740 --> 00:36:33,140 - Yeah, that's a wise move. 612 00:36:33,140 --> 00:36:35,140 Yeah, let's get some of this, 613 00:36:35,140 --> 00:36:37,140 some of this oil off these fingers. 614 00:36:37,140 --> 00:36:39,140 (laughing) 615 00:36:39,140 --> 00:36:44,140 (dramatic music) 616 00:36:50,740 --> 00:36:55,740 ♪ Last night your shadow fell upon my lonely room ♪ 617 00:36:55,740 --> 00:37:02,540 ♪ I touched your golden hair and tasted your perfume ♪ 618 00:37:02,540 --> 00:37:09,340 ♪ Your eyes were filled with love the way they used to be ♪ 619 00:37:09,340 --> 00:37:16,140 ♪ Your gentle hand reached out to comfort me ♪ 620 00:37:20,340 --> 00:37:25,340 ♪ And then came the dark and you were gone ♪ 621 00:37:25,340 --> 00:37:31,940 ♪ You were gone, gone, gone ♪ 622 00:37:31,940 --> 00:37:37,540 ♪ I had too much to drink last night ♪ 623 00:37:37,540 --> 00:37:40,340 ♪ Too much to drink ♪ 624 00:37:40,340 --> 00:37:43,540 ♪ I'm not ready to face the light ♪ 625 00:37:43,540 --> 00:37:48,540 ♪ I had too much to drink last night ♪ 626 00:37:49,340 --> 00:37:54,340 ♪ Last night ♪ 627 00:37:54,340 --> 00:37:59,340 ♪ The room was empty as I staggered from my bed ♪ 628 00:37:59,340 --> 00:38:05,340 ♪ I could not bear the image racing through my head ♪ 629 00:38:05,340 --> 00:38:11,340 ♪ You were so real that I could feel your evenness ♪ 630 00:38:11,340 --> 00:38:18,340 ♪ And when you raised your lips for me to kiss ♪ 631 00:38:19,340 --> 00:38:24,340 ♪ Came the dark and you were gone ♪ 632 00:38:24,340 --> 00:38:30,340 ♪ You were gone, gone, gone ♪ 633 00:38:30,340 --> 00:38:35,340 Ugh, finally. 634 00:38:35,340 --> 00:38:37,340 Let's get this ickiness off. 635 00:38:37,340 --> 00:38:38,340 And you know what? 636 00:38:38,340 --> 00:38:42,340 Ickiness always reminds me of buzzwords. 637 00:38:42,340 --> 00:38:45,340 Educational buzzwords and bullshit. 638 00:38:45,340 --> 00:38:46,340 And it's like, ugh. 639 00:38:46,340 --> 00:38:48,340 You know the sort of stuff where you hear it 640 00:38:48,340 --> 00:38:50,340 and you just immediately want to wash your ears out 641 00:38:50,340 --> 00:38:52,340 with bleach, you know? 642 00:38:52,340 --> 00:38:54,340 You feel like you need a shower. 643 00:38:54,340 --> 00:38:59,340 I've compiled the top 10 of my favorite icky buzzwords. 644 00:38:59,340 --> 00:39:00,340 A top 10? 645 00:39:00,340 --> 00:39:01,340 A top 10. 646 00:39:01,340 --> 00:39:03,340 And I'm going to give them to you. 647 00:39:03,340 --> 00:39:06,340 Like you gave me early on those provocations. 648 00:39:06,340 --> 00:39:07,340 Oh, I see. 649 00:39:07,340 --> 00:39:10,340 Am I going to feel soiled when I hear them? 650 00:39:10,340 --> 00:39:11,340 We're in the bathroom, dear. 651 00:39:11,340 --> 00:39:13,340 You can take a shower afterwards. 652 00:39:13,340 --> 00:39:14,340 Okay, that's good. 653 00:39:14,340 --> 00:39:16,340 I'm in a good place for that. 654 00:39:16,340 --> 00:39:19,340 So my top 10 of icky buzzwords, 655 00:39:19,340 --> 00:39:24,340 a top 10, in 10th place, micro learning. 656 00:39:24,340 --> 00:39:26,340 Micro. 657 00:39:26,340 --> 00:39:29,340 I mean, why not just call it blink and you missed it learning? 658 00:39:29,340 --> 00:39:31,340 I mean, you know, honestly. 659 00:39:31,340 --> 00:39:34,340 You're just so hot out with your microplastics. 660 00:39:34,340 --> 00:39:35,340 I don't know. 661 00:39:35,340 --> 00:39:37,340 You learn or you don't, right? 662 00:39:37,340 --> 00:39:40,340 It's so micro you blinked and missed it, clearly. 663 00:39:40,340 --> 00:39:43,340 I blinked and missed it when that definition came up. 664 00:39:43,340 --> 00:39:48,340 In number nine, gamification. 665 00:39:48,340 --> 00:39:51,340 Everything has to be gamified to sound. 666 00:39:51,340 --> 00:39:54,340 Yeah, slap a leaderboard on it and a goofy animated owl 667 00:39:54,340 --> 00:39:57,340 and you'll be speaking that for a language in no time. 668 00:39:57,340 --> 00:39:59,340 And the next thing you know, it's engagement. 669 00:39:59,340 --> 00:40:01,340 Oh, God. 670 00:40:01,340 --> 00:40:02,340 Do you know what? 671 00:40:02,340 --> 00:40:04,340 Yeah, engagement should have been on this list. 672 00:40:04,340 --> 00:40:06,340 I don't actually have that on my list, you know? 673 00:40:06,340 --> 00:40:09,340 So that would be 9A, engagement. 674 00:40:09,340 --> 00:40:11,340 Engagement and gamification. 675 00:40:11,340 --> 00:40:15,340 It's kind of like horse and carriage, isn't it? 676 00:40:15,340 --> 00:40:16,340 Number eight. 677 00:40:16,340 --> 00:40:17,340 Do you want to know what number eight is? 678 00:40:17,340 --> 00:40:18,340 Go on. 679 00:40:18,340 --> 00:40:22,340 Learnings and trainings. 680 00:40:22,340 --> 00:40:23,340 Okay. 681 00:40:23,340 --> 00:40:25,340 Who even says that? 682 00:40:25,340 --> 00:40:27,340 Well, people do say that. 683 00:40:27,340 --> 00:40:29,340 Unfortunately, people do say that. 684 00:40:29,340 --> 00:40:31,340 And the linguist in me can understand that language, 685 00:40:31,340 --> 00:40:35,340 if all the rest of it, and it's faster to say trainings 686 00:40:35,340 --> 00:40:37,340 than it is to say training sessions. 687 00:40:37,340 --> 00:40:38,340 I mean, come on. 688 00:40:38,340 --> 00:40:39,340 Really? 689 00:40:39,340 --> 00:40:41,340 Is that really necessary? 690 00:40:41,340 --> 00:40:43,340 There are some contractions that just shouldn't be contracted. 691 00:40:43,340 --> 00:40:44,340 Yeah, exactly. 692 00:40:44,340 --> 00:40:47,340 It's a contraction too far. 693 00:40:47,340 --> 00:40:49,340 As is the next one, I think. 694 00:40:49,340 --> 00:40:50,340 Number seven. 695 00:40:50,340 --> 00:40:53,340 Scaffolding. 696 00:40:53,340 --> 00:40:54,340 What is this? 697 00:40:54,340 --> 00:40:55,340 University or building site? 698 00:40:55,340 --> 00:40:56,340 I mean, seriously. 699 00:40:56,340 --> 00:40:58,340 That's going to kick me up. 700 00:40:58,340 --> 00:40:59,340 It's going to kick you up. 701 00:40:59,340 --> 00:41:00,340 Well, ha, ha. 702 00:41:00,340 --> 00:41:03,340 Boom, boom, boom. 703 00:41:03,340 --> 00:41:06,340 So, yeah, that's another one of my favorites. 704 00:41:06,340 --> 00:41:07,340 Number six. 705 00:41:07,340 --> 00:41:09,340 Number six is even better. 706 00:41:09,340 --> 00:41:10,340 Oh, go on. 707 00:41:10,340 --> 00:41:11,340 Do you want to hear it? 708 00:41:11,340 --> 00:41:13,340 I dread to hear it now. 709 00:41:13,340 --> 00:41:14,340 Go on. 710 00:41:14,340 --> 00:41:15,340 What's number six? 711 00:41:15,340 --> 00:41:16,340 Edutainment. 712 00:41:17,340 --> 00:41:19,340 [Laughter] 713 00:41:19,340 --> 00:41:23,340 I mean, I'm always up for making learning fun, but, you know. 714 00:41:23,340 --> 00:41:24,340 Yuck. 715 00:41:24,340 --> 00:41:26,340 [Laughter] 716 00:41:26,340 --> 00:41:31,340 It's almost trying to demean it, though, really, isn't it? 717 00:41:31,340 --> 00:41:34,340 It just makes me queasy. 718 00:41:34,340 --> 00:41:36,340 Teacher is performer. 719 00:41:36,340 --> 00:41:37,340 Yeah. 720 00:41:37,340 --> 00:41:38,340 Not even that. 721 00:41:38,340 --> 00:41:40,340 It's like a cheap clown show, to be honest. 722 00:41:40,340 --> 00:41:43,340 It sounds weird. 723 00:41:43,340 --> 00:41:44,340 Number five. 724 00:41:44,340 --> 00:41:46,340 Oh, God, are we going into the top five? 725 00:41:46,340 --> 00:41:47,340 Are we going into the top five? 726 00:41:47,340 --> 00:41:51,340 Well, these are my personal top five, so your top five may be different. 727 00:41:51,340 --> 00:41:54,340 We can have your top five afterwards. 728 00:41:54,340 --> 00:41:57,340 Student life cycles. 729 00:41:57,340 --> 00:41:59,340 Such a bean-counter term. 730 00:41:59,340 --> 00:42:04,340 Could we make this any more dehumanizing and sad and gray and beige? 731 00:42:04,340 --> 00:42:07,340 It's like seriously. 732 00:42:07,340 --> 00:42:09,340 From application to alumni. 733 00:42:09,340 --> 00:42:12,340 There you go. 734 00:42:12,340 --> 00:42:14,340 The whole sausage factory. 735 00:42:14,340 --> 00:42:15,340 Exactly. 736 00:42:15,340 --> 00:42:17,340 It is like a flipping factory, and I hate it. 737 00:42:17,340 --> 00:42:19,340 Yuck. 738 00:42:19,340 --> 00:42:20,340 Number four. 739 00:42:20,340 --> 00:42:22,340 We mentioned them earlier. 740 00:42:22,340 --> 00:42:24,340 The digital natives. 741 00:42:24,340 --> 00:42:27,340 Ah. 742 00:42:27,340 --> 00:42:34,340 Just because you've been born in a world that computers exist doesn't mean you know how to use them. 743 00:42:34,340 --> 00:42:39,340 Yeah, well, luckily that term is, you know, almost dead, I hope. 744 00:42:39,340 --> 00:42:46,340 It kind of occasionally comes back up, but, yeah, digital natives, be gone. 745 00:42:46,340 --> 00:42:50,340 Educational myth-making. 746 00:42:50,340 --> 00:42:51,340 Number three. 747 00:42:51,340 --> 00:42:53,340 Thought leaders. 748 00:42:55,340 --> 00:42:57,340 Have you ever been a thought leader? 749 00:42:57,340 --> 00:43:03,340 No, my thoughts don't need leaders, they just lead me. 750 00:43:03,340 --> 00:43:06,340 It's one of the big reasons why I don't like looking at LinkedIn. 751 00:43:06,340 --> 00:43:08,340 It's just so icky. 752 00:43:08,340 --> 00:43:11,340 It's like all these thought leaders and gurus and blah. 753 00:43:11,340 --> 00:43:14,340 You know, honestly, I don't need anybody to lead my thoughts. 754 00:43:14,340 --> 00:43:16,340 My thoughts are pretty independent, thank you very much. 755 00:43:16,340 --> 00:43:18,340 They're pretty well-led already. 756 00:43:18,340 --> 00:43:20,340 They lead themselves. 757 00:43:20,340 --> 00:43:25,340 I dread to think what we've got coming close to topping the charts. 758 00:43:25,340 --> 00:43:29,340 Centers of excellence at number two. 759 00:43:29,340 --> 00:43:31,340 It's just another bullshit term, you know. 760 00:43:31,340 --> 00:43:36,340 I would personally, you know, I'd love to consign that one to the bin. 761 00:43:36,340 --> 00:43:39,340 I would love to see more centers of good enough, quite frankly. 762 00:43:39,340 --> 00:43:42,340 Can we have a center of mediocrity? 763 00:43:42,340 --> 00:43:44,340 Not mediocrity, but good enough, you know, good enough. 764 00:43:44,340 --> 00:43:46,340 Come on, let's be more positive. 765 00:43:46,340 --> 00:43:47,340 Centers of good enough. 766 00:43:47,340 --> 00:43:48,340 Yeah. 767 00:43:48,340 --> 00:43:50,340 A center of that'll do. 768 00:43:50,340 --> 00:43:51,340 That'll do. 769 00:43:51,340 --> 00:43:56,340 You know, not pretentious and trying to aspire to things that we'll never achieve anyway. 770 00:43:56,340 --> 00:43:59,340 We're all realistic, right? 771 00:43:59,340 --> 00:44:02,340 And my absolute number one. 772 00:44:02,340 --> 00:44:04,340 Come on. 773 00:44:04,340 --> 00:44:06,340 Hyflex. 774 00:44:06,340 --> 00:44:07,340 That. 775 00:44:07,340 --> 00:44:12,340 It sounds like a sugary, disgusting breakfast cereal to me, 776 00:44:12,340 --> 00:44:14,340 and it just leaves me feeling so icky. 777 00:44:14,340 --> 00:44:16,340 I really need a shower now. 778 00:44:16,340 --> 00:44:19,340 The first time I came across the term hyflex, 779 00:44:19,340 --> 00:44:27,340 I remember Googling it and coming up with a result for an industrial rubber glove. 780 00:44:27,340 --> 00:44:31,340 Yeah, that's the rubber glove it should be touched with and handled with. 781 00:44:31,340 --> 00:44:38,340 Which is maybe the kind of thing that you would use to clean your bathroom. 782 00:44:38,340 --> 00:44:41,340 Yeah, clean that hyflex away. 783 00:44:41,340 --> 00:44:47,340 So, OK, so while we're in the process of cleaning, before we get out of here, 784 00:44:47,340 --> 00:44:57,340 can I also choose to flush learning styles as far down as we can? 785 00:44:57,340 --> 00:45:00,340 Flush those. 786 00:45:00,340 --> 00:45:05,340 And also while we're in the process of flushing, I'm going to put Uber for education, 787 00:45:05,340 --> 00:45:10,340 and education is broken, down the cistern as well. 788 00:45:10,340 --> 00:45:13,340 I think just to throw a couple away. 789 00:45:13,340 --> 00:45:15,340 That sounds fantastic. 790 00:45:15,340 --> 00:45:18,340 Let's just flush them all down the loo. 791 00:45:18,340 --> 00:45:24,340 I just hope they're not going to block anything up in the process. 792 00:45:24,340 --> 00:45:30,340 I think it's time to find ourselves out of here. 793 00:45:30,340 --> 00:45:33,340 Yeah, just a quick shower, and then, you know. 794 00:45:33,340 --> 00:45:36,340 What are we doing next? 795 00:45:36,340 --> 00:45:37,340 Let the audience decide. 796 00:45:37,340 --> 00:45:39,340 Let them decide what we're doing next. 797 00:45:39,340 --> 00:45:40,340 Absolutely. 798 00:45:40,340 --> 00:45:42,340 We'll see you in two or three minutes. 799 00:45:42,340 --> 00:45:44,340 That's right. 800 00:45:50,340 --> 00:45:54,340 Oh, rubber ducky, you're the one. 801 00:45:54,340 --> 00:45:57,340 You make bath time lots of fun. 802 00:45:57,340 --> 00:46:01,340 Rubber ducky, I'm awfully fond of you. 803 00:46:01,340 --> 00:46:06,340 Vovo vo dee oh, rubber ducky, joy of joy. 804 00:46:06,340 --> 00:46:09,340 When I squeeze you, you make noise. 805 00:46:09,340 --> 00:46:15,340 Rubber ducky, you're my very best friend, it's true. 806 00:46:15,340 --> 00:46:20,340 Oh, every day when I make my way to the tubby, 807 00:46:20,340 --> 00:46:26,340 I find a little fellow who's cute and yellow and chubby. 808 00:46:26,340 --> 00:46:31,340 Rubba dub dubby, rubber ducky, you're so fine. 809 00:46:31,340 --> 00:46:35,340 And I'm lucky that you're mine. 810 00:46:35,340 --> 00:46:41,340 Rubber ducky, I'm awfully fond of you. 811 00:46:41,340 --> 00:46:43,340 Hey, rubber ducky, would you like me to scrub your back 812 00:46:43,340 --> 00:46:46,340 with my nifty little scrub brush? 813 00:46:46,340 --> 00:46:47,340 You would? 814 00:46:47,340 --> 00:46:50,340 Okay, how's this? 815 00:46:50,340 --> 00:46:53,340 Hey, you want me to scrub behind your ears? 816 00:46:53,340 --> 00:46:54,340 Oh, I see. 817 00:46:54,340 --> 00:46:57,340 You don't have any ears, do you? 818 00:46:57,340 --> 00:46:59,340 Well, how about your tummy? 819 00:46:59,340 --> 00:47:01,340 Scrub his little ducky tummy. 820 00:47:01,340 --> 00:47:06,340 Oh, he's ticklish. 821 00:47:06,340 --> 00:47:12,340 Oh, every day when I make my way to the tubby, 822 00:47:12,340 --> 00:47:18,340 I find a little fellow who's cute and yellow and chubby. 823 00:47:18,340 --> 00:47:23,340 Rubba dub dubby, rubber ducky, you're so fine. 824 00:47:23,340 --> 00:47:26,340 And I'm lucky that you're mine. 825 00:47:26,340 --> 00:47:30,340 Rubber ducky, I'd like a whole pond of rubber ducky. 826 00:47:30,340 --> 00:47:36,340 And I'm awfully fond of you. 827 00:47:36,340 --> 00:47:44,340 So I am delighted that our listeners, 828 00:47:44,340 --> 00:47:49,340 after all of that journey through the filth that we encountered 829 00:47:49,340 --> 00:47:53,340 in the bathroom, have decided to send us out into the garden. 830 00:47:53,340 --> 00:47:54,340 It's beautiful out here. 831 00:47:54,340 --> 00:47:56,340 So much nicer, yeah. 832 00:47:56,340 --> 00:48:01,340 I need it, but after that dusty mansion with the dusty library in there. 833 00:48:01,340 --> 00:48:04,340 Oh, it's a nice fresh air. 834 00:48:04,340 --> 00:48:05,340 Can you hear the birds? 835 00:48:05,340 --> 00:48:07,340 I can. 836 00:48:07,340 --> 00:48:08,340 That's beautiful. 837 00:48:08,340 --> 00:48:09,340 Beautiful. 838 00:48:09,340 --> 00:48:12,340 So what's growing in your garden? 839 00:48:12,340 --> 00:48:22,340 Well, there's an item that I took from the library that I've still got in the back pocket. 840 00:48:22,340 --> 00:48:28,340 Which I'm going to dust it down a little bit. 841 00:48:28,340 --> 00:48:29,340 There we go. 842 00:48:29,340 --> 00:48:30,340 And have a look. 843 00:48:30,340 --> 00:48:35,340 So this is Martin Weller's book, Metaphors of Ed Tech. 844 00:48:35,340 --> 00:48:37,340 I'm going to flick through this. 845 00:48:37,340 --> 00:48:40,340 There's some quite interesting ideas in here. 846 00:48:40,340 --> 00:48:48,340 So one of them that I really like, which I think chimes with being out here in the garden, 847 00:48:48,340 --> 00:48:51,340 is the idea of rewilding. 848 00:48:51,340 --> 00:48:57,340 So for anyone who's not familiar with rewilding, there's an example that Martin's book uses, 849 00:48:57,340 --> 00:49:04,340 which is the Knapp Estate in Sussex, which is where I'm usually spending my time. 850 00:49:04,340 --> 00:49:06,340 Sussex, that is not the Knapp Estate. 851 00:49:06,340 --> 00:49:13,340 This was an old farm that the owners decided to let it run wild. 852 00:49:13,340 --> 00:49:26,340 And found that it brought so much diversity of life back to letting nature take its course. 853 00:49:26,340 --> 00:49:38,340 And Martin brings this idea of, you know, we look at that as an alternative to the kind of monoculture you find in a lot of farms. 854 00:49:38,340 --> 00:49:45,340 And he draws this as a metaphor with what we do with things like the virtual learning environment 855 00:49:45,340 --> 00:49:52,340 and how the VLE is sort of comparable to a kind of agricultural monoculture. 856 00:49:52,340 --> 00:49:59,340 Makes the case that, think about borrowing from the idea of rewilding, 857 00:49:59,340 --> 00:50:08,340 which would mean things like reintroducing the diversity of the open web a little bit back into learning. 858 00:50:08,340 --> 00:50:16,340 You can imagine how, rather than, you know, although that would mean people wouldn't all get the same experience. 859 00:50:16,340 --> 00:50:23,340 And, you know, there'd be some sort of, some areas end up as weeds and dead ends, 860 00:50:23,340 --> 00:50:31,340 but you get a lot more richness and diversity and many more sort of fascinating options going down that particular route. 861 00:50:31,340 --> 00:50:34,340 I think that's an interesting one to explore. 862 00:50:34,340 --> 00:50:37,340 It is an interesting one to explore. 863 00:50:37,340 --> 00:50:41,340 I would say, is the web really as diverse as it once was? 864 00:50:41,340 --> 00:50:48,340 It sounds like a very nostalgic web of the, you know, the geocities era of the web where it was a little bit of a wild west. 865 00:50:48,340 --> 00:50:52,340 And you look at it now, it's all beige and beigeification really. 866 00:50:52,340 --> 00:50:56,340 I mean, beigeification is one of my favorite new terms. 867 00:50:56,340 --> 00:51:05,340 Where everything is so sterilized and, you know, formatted and neat boxes to put your comments in. 868 00:51:05,340 --> 00:51:15,340 You know, TikTok and all those kinds of platforms that are basically empty containers for people to fill with stuff that fits into exactly those containers. 869 00:51:15,340 --> 00:51:20,340 So, I don't know. I'm skeptical. I'd love to get back to that wild web. 870 00:51:20,340 --> 00:51:27,340 But is that really feasible? And is it really maybe, maybe the Fediverse will help us? I hope so. 871 00:51:27,340 --> 00:51:40,340 I can't remember who said it, but somebody mentioned the web is basically five websites with screenshots of each other. 872 00:51:40,340 --> 00:51:42,340 Yeah, that's true. 873 00:51:42,340 --> 00:51:48,340 Yeah, I totally agree. I mean, it's a nice idea, but, you know, the web has kind of moved on a little bit from there. 874 00:51:48,340 --> 00:51:54,340 Well, that doesn't mean it can't move again. And let's hope. Let's hope. 875 00:51:54,340 --> 00:52:10,340 That's one of the things that I've always taken as an understanding about the Internet or the web, which is how we mostly tend to experience and understand the Internet, is that it always evolves. 876 00:52:10,340 --> 00:52:18,340 It's never something that stays the same or stays stagnant. 877 00:52:18,340 --> 00:52:30,340 And as long as it remains in some way participative, then I am sure it will continue to evolve. 878 00:52:30,340 --> 00:52:32,340 Let's hope so. 879 00:52:32,340 --> 00:52:34,340 Thank you. 880 00:52:40,340 --> 00:52:49,340 Take me outside, sit in the green garden. Nobody out there, but it's okay now. 881 00:52:49,340 --> 00:52:58,340 Bathe in the sunlight, don't mind if rain falls. Take me outside, sit in the green garden. 882 00:53:07,340 --> 00:53:16,340 I'm a butterfly on the wings of a butterfly. High as a tree, tall, down again. 883 00:53:16,340 --> 00:53:25,340 Put my bag down, taking my shoes off, walking the carpet, green velvet. 884 00:53:25,340 --> 00:53:43,340 Bath in my garden like we used to. Bath in my garden like we used to. 885 00:53:43,340 --> 00:53:52,340 Take me outside, sit in the green garden. Nobody out there, but it's okay now. 886 00:53:52,340 --> 00:54:01,340 Bathe in the sunlight, don't mind if rain falls. Take me outside, sit in the green garden. 887 00:54:19,340 --> 00:54:28,340 Take me outside, sit in the green garden. Take me outside, sit in the green garden. 888 00:54:28,340 --> 00:54:37,340 I'm a butterfly on the wings of a butterfly. High as a tree, tall, down again. 889 00:54:37,340 --> 00:54:46,340 Put my bag down, taking my shoes off, walking the carpet, green velvet. 890 00:54:46,340 --> 00:55:00,340 Bath in my garden like we used to. Bath in my garden like we used to. 891 00:55:08,340 --> 00:55:10,340 God, have you seen the time? 892 00:55:10,340 --> 00:55:15,340 Yes, it's about time we left this space, isn't it? 893 00:55:15,340 --> 00:55:20,340 I think it's getting late. I think we should pack up and just maybe wander down the garden path. 894 00:55:20,340 --> 00:55:22,340 It's been an interesting exploration. 895 00:55:22,340 --> 00:55:27,340 It's been an interesting journey and it's been an interesting time to look back really, 896 00:55:27,340 --> 00:55:32,340 on all the different highlights and some of the lowlights. 897 00:55:32,340 --> 00:55:34,340 Lowlights aside, I've certainly enjoyed it. 898 00:55:34,340 --> 00:55:39,340 I've had a whale of a time. Really good time. 899 00:55:39,340 --> 00:55:46,340 So I've got a closing question for you. What kept you going in this field all this time? 900 00:55:46,340 --> 00:55:50,340 How come you're still a learning technologist after all these years? 901 00:55:50,340 --> 00:55:57,340 I think it's the variety of stuff and the opportunities. 902 00:55:57,340 --> 00:56:01,340 There are so many opportunities if you're willing to take them, if you're willing to take that risk, 903 00:56:01,340 --> 00:56:07,340 if you are willing to find the colleagues, the right colleagues and surround yourselves with the right network. 904 00:56:07,340 --> 00:56:12,340 There's so much creative stuff and so much fun you can have in that job. 905 00:56:12,340 --> 00:56:19,340 But it takes courage and it does take a bit of oomph, you know, energy. 906 00:56:19,340 --> 00:56:25,340 Sometimes it does take a room full of cardboard boxes, sometimes too. 907 00:56:25,340 --> 00:56:28,340 Sometimes it does. 908 00:56:28,340 --> 00:56:34,340 And you also have to be prepared that sometimes it's not always going to work. 909 00:56:34,340 --> 00:56:39,340 Obviously, you have to be quite comfortable with failure. That's true. 910 00:56:39,340 --> 00:56:42,340 Well, it's been a pleasure exploring this house with you. 911 00:56:42,340 --> 00:56:45,340 Yeah, likewise. We should do that again sometime. 912 00:56:45,340 --> 00:56:46,340 Let's. 913 00:56:46,340 --> 00:56:48,340 Shall we play one last song? 914 00:56:48,340 --> 00:56:50,340 I think so. Yeah, let's do it. 915 00:56:50,340 --> 00:56:52,340 All right. Thank you for listening. 916 00:56:52,340 --> 00:56:53,340 Bye bye. 917 00:56:53,340 --> 00:56:54,340 Bye. 918 00:56:54,340 --> 00:56:58,340 This was a triumph. 919 00:56:58,340 --> 00:57:03,340 I'm making a note here. Huge success. 920 00:57:03,340 --> 00:57:10,340 It's hard to overstate my satisfaction. 921 00:57:10,340 --> 00:57:14,340 Aperture science. 922 00:57:14,340 --> 00:57:19,340 We do what we must because we can. 923 00:57:19,340 --> 00:57:25,340 For the good of all of us, except the ones who are dead. 924 00:57:25,340 --> 00:57:29,340 But there's no sense crying over every mistake. 925 00:57:29,340 --> 00:57:33,340 You just keep on trying till you run out of cake. 926 00:57:33,340 --> 00:57:46,340 And the science gets done and you make a neat clunk of the people who are still alive. 927 00:57:46,340 --> 00:57:50,340 I'm not even angry. 928 00:57:50,340 --> 00:57:55,340 I'm being so sincere right now. 929 00:57:55,340 --> 00:58:02,340 Even though you broke my heart and killed me. 930 00:58:02,340 --> 00:58:06,340 And tore me to pieces. 931 00:58:06,340 --> 00:58:11,340 And blew every piece into a fire. 932 00:58:11,340 --> 00:58:17,340 As they burned it hurt because I was so happy for you. 933 00:58:17,340 --> 00:58:21,340 Now these points of data make a beautiful line. 934 00:58:21,340 --> 00:58:25,340 And we're out of data. We're releasing on time. 935 00:58:25,340 --> 00:58:38,340 So I'm glad I got there and think of all the things we learned for the people who are still alive. 936 00:58:38,340 --> 00:58:42,340 Go ahead and leave me. 937 00:58:42,340 --> 00:58:47,340 I think I prefer to stay inside. 938 00:58:47,340 --> 00:58:54,340 Maybe you'll find someone else to help you. 939 00:58:54,340 --> 00:58:58,340 Maybe Black Mesa. 940 00:58:58,340 --> 00:59:03,340 That was a joke. Ha ha. Bad chance. 941 00:59:03,340 --> 00:59:09,340 Anyway this cake is great. It's so delicious and moist. 942 00:59:09,340 --> 00:59:13,340 Look at me still talking when there's science to do. 943 00:59:13,340 --> 00:59:17,340 When I look up there it makes me glad I'm not you. 944 00:59:17,340 --> 00:59:25,340 I've experiments to run. There is research to be done on the people who are still alive. 945 00:59:25,340 --> 00:59:29,340 Then believe me I am still alive. 946 00:59:29,340 --> 00:59:33,340 I'm doing science and I'm still alive. 947 00:59:33,340 --> 00:59:37,340 I feel fantastic and I'm still alive. 948 00:59:37,340 --> 00:59:41,340 While you're dying I'll be still alive. 949 00:59:41,340 --> 00:59:45,340 And when you're dead I will be still alive. 950 00:59:45,340 --> 00:59:47,340 Still alive.